LegCo Paper No. CB(3)701/96-97
THE LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL
MINUTES
No. 22 of 1996-97
Minutes of the sitting held on Wednesday 5 March 1997 at 2:30 pm
Members present:
President -- The Honourable Andrew WONG Wang-fat, OBE, JP
The Honourable Allen LEE Peng-fei, CBE, JP
The Honourable Mrs Selina CHOW LIANG Shuk-yee, OBE, JP
The Honourable Martin LEE Chu-ming, QC, JP
Dr the Honourable David LI Kwok-po, OBE, LLD(Cantab), JP
The Honourable NGAI Shiu-kit, OBE, JP
The Honourable SZETO Wah
The Honourable LAU Wong-fat, OBE, JP
The Honourable Edward HO Sing-tin, OBE, JP
The Honourable Ronald Joseph ARCULLI, OBE, JP
The Honourable Mrs Miriam LAU Kin-yee, OBE, JP
Dr the Honourable Edward LEONG Che-hung, OBE, JP
The Honourable Albert CHAN Wai-yip
The Honourable CHEUNG Man-kwong
The Honourable CHIM Pui-chung
The Honourable Frederick FUNG Kin-kee
The Honourable Michael HO Mun-ka
Dr the Honourable HUANG Chen-ya, MBE
The Honourable Emily LAU Wai-hing
The Honourable LEE Wing-tat
The Honourable Eric LI Ka-cheung, OBE, JP
The Honourable Fred LI Wah-ming
The Honourable Henry TANG Ying-yen, JP
Dr the Honourable Samuel WONG Ping-wai, OBE, FEng, JP
Dr the Honourable Philip WONG Yu-hong
Dr the Honourable YEUNG Sum
The Honourable Howard YOUNG, JP
The Honourable Zachary WONG Wai-yin
The Honourable Christine LOH Kung-wai
The Honourable James TIEN Pei-chun, OBE, JP
The Honourable LEE Cheuk-yan
The Honourable CHAN Kam-lam
The Honourable CHAN Wing-chan
The Honourable CHAN Yuen-han
The Honourable Andrew CHENG Kar-foo
The Honourable Paul CHENG Ming-fun
The Honourable CHENG Yiu-tong
Dr the Honourable Anthony CHEUNG Bing-leung
The Honourable CHEUNG Hon-chung
The Honourable CHOY Kan-pui, JP
The Honourable David CHU Yu-lin
The Honourable Albert HO Chun-yan
The Honourable IP Kwok-him
The Honourable LAU Chin-shek
The Honourable Ambrose LAU Hon-chuen, JP
The Honourable LAW Chi-kwong
The Honourable LEE Kai-ming
The Honourable LEUNG Yiu-chung
The Honourable Bruce LIU Sing-lee
The Honourable LO Suk-ching
The Honourable MOK Ying-fan
The Honourable Margaret NG
The Honourable NGAN Kam-chuen
The Honourable SIN Chung-kai
The Honourable TSANG Kin-shing
Dr the Honourable John TSE Wing-ling
The Honourable Lawrence YUM Sin-ling
Members absent:
The Honourable James TO Kun-sun
Dr the Honourable LAW Cheung-kwok
The Honourable Mrs Elizabeth WONG CHIEN Chi-lien, CBE, ISO, JP
Public officers attending:
- The Honourable Mrs Anson CHAN, CBE, JP
- The Chief Secretary
- The Honourable Donald TSANG Yam-kuen, OBE, JP
- The Financial Secretary
- The Honourable Jeremy Fell MATHEWS, CMG, JP
- The Attorney General
- Mr Michael SUEN Ming-yeung, CBE, JP
- Secretary for Home Affairs
- Mr CHAU Tak-hay, CBE, JP
- Secretary for Broadcasting, Culture and Sport
- Mr Dominic WONG Shing-wah, OBE, JP
- Secretary for Housing
- Mrs Katherine FOK LO Shiu-ching, OBE, JP
- Secretary for Health and Welfare
- Mr Peter LAI Hing-ling, JP
- Secretary for Security
- Mr KWONG Ki-chi, JP
- Secretary for the Treasury
Clerks in attendance:
- Mr Ricky FUNG Choi-cheung
- Secretary General
- Mr LAW Kam-sang
- Deputy Secretary General
- Mrs Justina LAM CHENG Bo-ling
- Assistant Secretary General (2)
- Mr Ray CHAN Yum-mou
- Assistant Secretary General (3)
Papers
The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Standing Order No. 14(2):
Subsidiary Legislation | L.N. NO.
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1. Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) (Amendment) (No.3) Regulation 1997 | 69/97
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2. Census and Statistics (Quarterly Survey of Service Industries) (Amendment) Order 1997 | 75/97
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3. Official Languages (Alteration of Text Under Section 4D) (No.4) Order 1997 | 76/97
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4. Official Languages (Alteration of Text Under Section 4D) (No.5) Order 1997 | 77/97
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5. Official Languages (Alteration of Text) (Fire Services Ordinance) Order 1997 | 78/97
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6. Official Languages (Alteration of Text) (Mining Ordinance) Order 1997 | 79/97
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7. Official Languages (Alteration of Text) (Water Pollution Control Ordinance) Order 1997 | 80/97
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8. Shipping and Port Control Regulations (Amendment of Tenth Schedule) Notice 1997 | 81/97
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9. Noise Control (Amendment) (No.2) Ordinance 1996 (61 of 1996) (Commencement) Notice 1997 | 82/97
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10. Hong Kong Airport (Control of Obstructions) Order 1997 (L.N. 16 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997 | 83/97
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11. Waste Disposal (Amendment) Ordinance 1997 (10 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997 | 84/97
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12. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Stowaways Ordinance) Order | (C) 10/97
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13. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Mock Auctions Ordinance) Order | (C) 11/97
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14. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Post Secondary Colleges Ordinance) Order | (C) 12/97
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15. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Immigration Service Ordinance) Order | (C) 13/97
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16. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Hotel Accommodation Tax Ordinance) Order | (C) 14/97
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17. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Law Reform (Miscellaneous Amendments) Ordinance) Order | (C) 15/97
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18. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Fire Services Ordinance) Order | (C) 16/97
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19. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Monetary Statistics Ordinance) Order | (C) 17/97
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20. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Roads (Works, Use and Compensation) Ordinance)Order | (C) 18/97
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21. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Water Pollution Control Ordinance) Order | (C) 19/97
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22. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Mining Ordinance) Order
| (C) 20/97
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23. Official Languages (Authentic Chinese Text) (Radiation Ordinance) Order
| (C) 21/97 |
Sessional Papers 1996-97
No.71 - | The Hong Kong Institute of Education
Annual Report 1995-96 and Financial Report 1995-96 |
Questions
1. Mr SIN Chung-kai asked Question 1.
The Secretary for the Treasury replied.
Four Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for the Treasury replied.
2. Mr LEUNG Yiu-chung asked Question 2.
The Secretary for Home Affairs replied.
Five Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Home Affairs replied.
3. Mr LAW Chi-kwong asked Question 3.
The Secretary for Security replied.
Four Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Security replied.
4. Mr MOK Ying-fan asked Question 4.
The Secretary for Health and Welfare replied.
Two Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Health and Welfare replied.
5. Miss Emily LAU asked Question 5.
The Secretary for Security replied.
A Member asked one supplementary and the Secretary for Security replied.
6. Mr K K FUNG asked Question 6.
The Secretary for Housing replied.
Two Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Housing replied.
Written replies to Questions 7 to 15, 17 and 19 were tabled for Members information.
Government Bills
First Reading
Supreme Court (Amendment) Bill 1997
Places of Public Entertainment (Amendment) Bill 1997
Volunteer and Naval Volunteer Pensions (Amendment) Bill 1997
Crimes (Amendment) Bill 1997
The Bills were read the first time and ordered to be set down for Second Reading pursuant to Standing Order No. 41(3).
Second Reading
Supreme Court (Amendment) Bill 1997
The Attorney General moved the Second Reading and addressed the Council.
Question on the Second Reading proposed. The President stated that in accordance with Standing Orders, the debate was adjourned and the Bill was referred to the House Committee.
Places of Public Entertainment (Amendment) Bill 1997
The Secretary for Broadcasting, Culture and Sport moved the Second Reading and addressed the Council.
Question on the Second Reading proposed. The President stated that in accordance with Standing Orders, the debate was adjourned and the Bill was referred to the House Committee.
Volunteer and Naval Volunteer Pensions (Amendment) Bill 1997
The Secretary for Health and Welfare moved the Second Reading and addressed the Council.
Question on the Second Reading proposed. The President stated that in accordance with Standing Orders, the debate was adjourned and the Bill was referred to the House Committee.
Crimes (Amendment) Bill 1997
The Secretary for Security moved the Second Reading and addressed the Council.
Question on the Second Reading proposed. The President stated that in accordance with Standing Orders, the debate was adjourned and the Bill was referred to the House Committee.
Enduring Powers of Attorney Bill
Resumption of debate on Second Reading which had been moved on 8 January 1997.
Question on Second Reading put and agreed to.
Bill read the second time and committed to a Committee of the whole Council.
Powers of Attorney (Amendment) Bill 1996
Resumption of debate on Second Reading which had been moved on 8 January 1997.
Question on Second Reading put and agreed to.
Bill read the second time and committed to a Committee of the whole Council.
Fire Safety (Commercial Premises) Bill
Resumption of debate on Second Reading which had been moved on 29 May 1996.
Mrs Selina CHOW spoke on the motion.
At 4:17 pm, Miss Margaret NG drew the attention of the President to the absence of a quorum. The President directed that the Council be suspended and Members be summoned. A quorum was then present.
The Secretary for Security replied.
Question on Second Reading put and agreed to.
Bill read the second time and committed to a Committee of the whole Council.
Auxiliary Forces Pensions (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill 1997
Resumption of debate on Second Reading which had been moved on 22 January 1997.
Question on Second Reading put and agreed to.
Bill read the second time and committed to a Committee of the whole Council.
Committee Stage
The Council went into Committee and considered the following Bills:
Enduring Powers of Attorney Bill
Question that the following clauses stand part of the Bill proposed.
Question on clauses 1 to 4, 6 to 12 and 15 to 19 put and agreed to.
The Attorney General moved amendments to clauses 5, 13 and 14 and addressed the Committee.
Question on the amendment proposed, put and agreed to.
Question that clauses 5, 13 and 14, as amended, stand part of the Bill put and agreed to.
Powers of Attorney (Amendment) Bill 1996
Question that the following clauses stand part of the Bill proposed.
Question on clauses 1, 2 and 3 put and agreed to.
Fire Safety (Commercial Premises) Bill
Question that the following clauses and schedules stand part of the Bill proposed.
Question on clauses 1, 2, 4, 9, 17 to 20 and 23 put and agreed to.
The Secretary for Security moved amendments to clauses 3, 5 to 8, 10 to 16, 21, 22 and 24 and addressed the Committee.
Question on the amendments proposed, put and agreed to.
Question that clauses 3, 5 to 8, 10 to 16, 21, 22 and 24, as amended, stand part of the Bill put and agreed to.
New clause 25 read the first time.
The Secretary for Security moved the Second Reading of new clause 25 and addressed the Committee. Question on the Second Reading of new clause 25 proposed, put and agreed to.
New clause 25 read the second time.
The Secretary for Security moved the addition of new clause 25 to the Bill. Question on the addition proposed, put and agreed to.
The Secretary for Security moved amendments to schedules 1 and 2 and addressed the Committee.
Question on the amendments put and agreed to.
Question that schedules 1 and 2, as amended, stand part of the Bill put and agreed to.
Auxiliary Forces Pensions (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill 1997
Question that the following clauses and schedule stand part of the Bill proposed.
Question on clauses 1 to 25 put and agreed to.
Question on the schedule put and agreed to.
The Council then resumed.
Third Reading
The Attorney General reported that
the Enduring Powers of Attorney Bill
had passed through Committee with amendments and
the Powers of Attorney (Amendment) Bill 1996
had passed through Committee without amendment. He moved that the these two Bills be read the third time and do pass.
Question on the Third Reading of the two Bills proposed, put and agreed to.
Bills read the third time and passed.
The Secretary for Security reported that
the Fire Safety (Commercial Premises) Bill
had passed through Committee with amendments and
the Auxiliary Forces Pensions (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill 1997
had passed through Committee without amendment. He moved that the these two Bills be read the third time and do pass.
Question on the Third Reading of the two Bills proposed, put and agreed to.
Bills read the third time and passed.
Members' Motions
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
Dr John TSE moved the following motion and addressed the Council:
That this Council urges the Chinese Government to enter into the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights as a signatory as soon as possible, to fulfil its obligations under the Covenants to ensure that the residents in Mainland China and Hong Kong can enjoy the basic rights which are recognized internationally, and to continue to report to the United Nations on the human rights situation in Hong Kong after 1 July 1997.
Question on Dr John TSE's motion proposed. The President stated that Mr MOK Ying-fan had given notice to move an amendment to the motion and that Mr NGAN Kam-chuen had also given notice to move an amendment to Mr MOK's proposed amendment. He proposed that the motion, the amendment and the amendment to the amendment be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the President ordered that the motion and the amendments be debated together in a joint debate.
Mr MOK Ying-fan moved the following amendment to Dr John TSE's motion and addressed the Council:
To add "in order to implement Article 39 of the Basic Law" after "That,"; to delete "the Covenants" and substitute with "these two international covenants"; to delete "Mainland China and"; to insert "continue to" before "enjoy the basic rights"; to delete "which are recognized internationally" and substitute with "prescribed therein after China resumes the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong".
Question on Mr MOK Ying-fan's amendment to Dr John TSE's motion proposed.
Mr NGAN Kam-chuen moved the following amendment to Mr MOK Ying-fan's proposed amendment and addressed the Council:
To delete "in order to implement Article 39 of the Basic Law," after "That,"; to delete "urges" after "this Council" and substitute with "is pleased to learn that according to the spokesman of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs,"; to delete "to enter" after "the Chinese Government" and substitute with "is actively considering entering"; to delete "as soon as possible, to fulfil its obligations under these two international covenants to ensure that the residents in Hong Kong can continue to enjoy the basic rights prescribed therein after China resumes the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong, and to continue to report to the United Nations on the human rights situation in Hong Kong after 1 July 1997" after "as a signatory".
Question on Mr NGAN Kam-chuen's amendment to Mr MOK Ying-fan's amendment proposed.
A Member spoke on the motion and the amendments.
At 5:00 pm, the President's Deputy took the chair during the temporary absence of the President.
Another 11 Members spoke on the motion and the amendments.
At 5:59 pm, the President resumed the chair.
Nine further Members spoke on the motion and the amendments.
The President invited Mr MOK Ying-fan to speak for the second time on Mr NGAN Kam-chuen's amendment.
Dr John TSE spoke on the amendments.
The Secretary for Home Affairs spoke on the motion and the amendments.
Question on Mr NGAN Kam-chuen's amendment to Mr MOK Ying-fan's amendment put. The President stated that he thought the amendment had been negatived.
Mr NGAN Kam-chuen and Mr CHAN Kam-lam claimed a division. The President then ordered the Council to divide under Standing Order No. 36(4).
The President announced that there were 26 votes for the amendment and 28 votes against it. (Voting record in Appendix I.) He declared that Mr NGAN Kam-chuen's amendment to Mr MOK Ying-fan's amendment was negatived.
Question on Mr MOK Ying-fan's amendment to Dr John TSE's motion put. The President stated that he thought the amendment had been negatived. Mr Frederick FUNG and Mr Bruce LIU claimed a division. The President then ordered the Council to divide under Standing Order No. 36(4).
The President announced that there were 14 votes for the amendment and 37 votes against it. (Voting record in Appendix II.) He declared that Mr MOK Ying-fan's amendment to Dr John TSEs motion was negatived.
Dr John TSE replied.
Question on Dr John TSE's motion put. As the President could not judge from the voice votes whether the 'ayes' had it or the 'noes' had it, he ordered the Council to divide under Standing Order No. 36(4).
The President announced that there were 24 votes for the motion and 26 votes against it. (Voting record in Appendix III.) He declared that Dr John TSE's motion was negatived.
Role of Chinese Communist Party in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region
Miss Christine LOH moved the following motion and addressed the Council:
That, in the light of the fact that the Chinese Communist Party openly plays a leading role in governing China, this Council urges the Government to seek clarification from the Chinese Government and the Chief Executive Designate about how the Party will be represented in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, what its role in the Region will be, what channels of liaison it will maintain with the Government of the Region and with the Chief Executive, and what the content and limits of that liaison will be.
Question on the motion proposed.
Seven Members spoke on the motion.
Miss Christine LOH replied.
Question on the motion put. As the President could not judge from the voice votes whether the 'ayes' had it or the 'noes' had it, he ordered the Council to divide under Standing Order No. 36(4).
The President announced that there were 25 votes for the motion and 25 votes against it. (Voting record in Appendix IV.) The President stated that he had previously exercised his casting vote in accordance with Speaker DENISON's decision in 1867. He then exercised his casting vote in the negative and declared that Miss Christine LOH's motion was negatived.
Next sitting
In accordance with Standing Orders, the President adjourned the Council until Wednesday 12 March 1997.
Adjourned accordingly at five minutes past eight oclock.
(Andrew WONG)
President
Council Chamber
Hong Kong
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