Council meeting (Minutes) 27 Sept 97

Provisional Legislative Council

PLC Paper No. CB(3) 230

Minutes of the meeting held on Saturday
27 September 1997 at 9:00 am

Members present:

President
The Hon Mrs Rita FAN, JP
The Hon WONG Siu-yee
The Hon James TIEN Pei-chun, JP
The Hon David CHU Yu-lin
The Hon HO Sai-chu, JP
The Hon Edward HO Sing-tin, JP
Dr Hon Raymond HO Chung-tai, JP
The Hon NG Leung-sing
Prof Hon NG Ching-fai
The Hon Eric LI Ka-cheung, JP
The Hon LEE Kai-ming
The Hon Allen LEE, JP
The Hon Mrs Elsie TU, GBM
The Hon Mrs Selina CHOW, JP
The Hon Mrs Peggy LAM, JP
The Hon Henry WU
The Hon NGAI Shiu-kit, JP
The Hon Henry TANG Ying-yen, JP
The Hon Ronald ARCULLI, JP
The Hon YUEN Mo
The Hon MA Fung-kwok
The Hon CHEUNG Hon-chung
Dr Hon Mrs TSO WONG Man-yin
Dr Hon LEONG Che-hung, JP
The Hon Mrs Sophie LEUNG LAU Yau-fun, JP
The Hon MOK Ying-fan
The Hon HUI Yin-fat, JP
The Hon CHAN Choi-hi
The Hon CHAN Yuen-han
The Hon CHAN Wing-chan
The Hon CHAN Kam-lam
The Hon TSANG Yok-sing
The Hon CHENG Kai-nam
The Hon Frederick FUNG Kin-kee
The Hon Andrew WONG Wang-fat, JP
Dr Hon Philip WONG Yu-hong
The Hon Kennedy WONG Ying-ho
The Hon Howard YOUNG, JP
Dr Hon Charles YEUNG Chun-kam
The Hon YEUNG Yiu-chung
The Hon IP Kwok-him
The Hon CHIM Pui-chung
The Hon Bruce LIU Sing-lee
The Hon LAU Kong-wah
The Hon LAU Wong-fat, JP
The Hon Mrs Miriam LAU Kin-yee, JP
The Hon Ambrose LAU Hon-chuen, JP
The Hon CHOY Kan-pui, JP
The Hon Paul CHENG Ming-fun, JP
The Hon CHENG Yiu-tong
Dr Hon TANG Siu-tong, JP
The Hon Timothy FOK Tsun-ting
The Hon KAN Fook-yee
The Hon NGAN Kam-chuen
The Hon LO Suk-ching
Dr Hon LAW Cheung-kwok
The Hon TAM Yiu-chung, JP
The Hon CHOY So-yuk

Members absent:

Dr Hon David LI Kwok-po, JP
The Hon LEUNG Chun-ying, JP

Public officers attending:

The Honourable Mrs Anson CHAN, JP: The Chief Secretary for Administration
Mr Rafael HUI Si-yan, JP: The Financial Secretary
The Honourable Elsie LEUNG Oi-sie, JP: The Secretary for Justice
Mr Michael SUEN Ming-yeung, JP: Secretary for Constitutional Affairs
Mrs Katherine FOK LO Shiu-ching, JP: Secretary for Health and Welfare
Mr Rafael HUI Si-yan, JP: Secretary for Financial Services
Mr Peter LAI Hing-ling, JP: Secretary for Security
Mr Bowen LEUNG Po-wing, JP: Secretary for Planning, Environment and Lands
Mr David LAN Hong-tsung, JP: Secretary for Home Affairs

Clerks in attendance:

Mr Ricky FUNG Choi-cheung, JP,: Secretary General
Mr LAW Kam-sang, JP,: Deputy Secretary General
Miss Pauline NG Man-wah,: Assistant Secretary General (1)
Mrs Justina LAM CHENG Bo-ling,: Assistant Secretary General (2)

Papers

The following papers were laid on the table pursuant to Rule 21(2) of the Rules of Procedure:

	Subsidiary Legislation	L.N. No.
1.	Building (Administration) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulation 1997	441/97
2.	Building (Administration) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulation 1997	442/97
3.	Building (Oil Storage Installations) (Amendment) Regulation 1997	443/97
4.	Public Health and Municipal Services Ordinance (Public Pleasure Grounds) (Amendment of Fourth Schedule) (No. 4) Order 1997	444/97
5.	Public Health and Municipal Services Ordinance (Civic Centres) (Amendment of Thirteenth Schedule) Order 1997	445/97
6.	Child Care Centres (Amendment) Ordinance 1997 (38 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997	446/97
7.	Child Care Centres (Amendment) Regulation 1997 (L.N. 272 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997	447/97
8.	Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions and Minor Amendments) Ordinance 1997 (80 of 1997) (Commencement) (No. 2) Notice 1997	448/97
9.	Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Ordinance (87 of 1997) (Commencement) Notice 1997	449/97

Sessional Papers

1.	No. 9	-	Report by the Trustee of the Prisoners' Education Trust Fund for the period 1 April 1996 to 31 March 1997
2.	No. 10	-	Report by the Commissioner of Police on Police Welfare Fund for the period 1 April 1995 - 31 March 1996

Report

Mr Ambrose LAU, Chairman of the Bills Committee, presented the Report of the Bills Committee on the Legislative Council Bill and addressed the Council.

Questions

1. Mr HUI Yin-fat asked Question 1.

The Secretary for Financial Services replied.

Six Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Financial Services replied.

2. Mr CHENG Kai-nam asked Question 2.

The Secretary for Home Affairs replied.

Three Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Home Affairs replied.

3. Mr CHAN Kam-lam asked Question 3.

The Secretary for Health and Welfare replied.

Six Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Health and Welfare replied.

4. Mr MOK Ying-fan asked Question 4.

The Secretary for Health and Welfare replied.

Four Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Health and Welfare replied.

5. Mr Paul CHENG asked Question 5.

The Secretary for Planning, Environment and Lands replied.

Four Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Planning, Environment and Lands replied.

6. Dr LAW Cheung-kwok asked Question 6.

The Secretary for Financial Services replied.

Three Members asked supplementaries and the Secretary for Financial Services replied.

Written replies to Questions 7 to 20 were tabled for Members' information.

Bills

Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal (Amendment) (No.3) Bill 1997

Second Reading

Resumption of debate on Second Reading which had been moved on 10 September 1997.

Question on Second Reading put and agreed to.

Bill read the second time and committed to a Committee of the whole Council.

Committee Stage

The Council went into Committee and considered the Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal (Amendment) (No.3) Bill 1997.

Question that the following clauses stand part of the Bill proposed.

Question on clauses 1 and 2 put and agreed to.

The Council then resumed.

Third Reading

The Chief Secretary for Administration reported that

the Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal (Amendment) (No.3) Bill 1997

had passed through Committee without amendment. She moved that the Bill be read the third time and do pass.

Question on the Third Reading of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

Bill read the third time and passed.

Legislative Council Bill

Second Reading

Resumption of debate on Second Reading which had been moved on 20 August 1997.

16 Members spoke on the motion.

The President suspended the meeting at 12:57 pm.

The Council resumed at 2:03 pm.

Another two Members spoke on the motion.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs replied.

Question on Second Reading put and agreed to.

Bill read the second time and committed to a Committee of the whole Council.

Committee Stage

The Council went into Committee and considered the Legislative Council Bill.

Question that the following clauses stand part of the Bill proposed.

Question on clauses 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 14, 15, 19, 21, 25, 27, 28, 31, 34, 43, 44, 45, 53 to 56, 60, 61, 63 to 66, 68, 69, 71, 72 and 74 to 79 put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 3 and 6 of clause 4, subclause 3 of clause 6 and the addition of subclause 4 to clause 6 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs had given notice to propose the addition of subclause 7 to clause 4 and Mr Andrew WONG had also given notice to propose the addition of subclause 4 to clause 9, which were related. She proposed that the proposals of the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs and Mr Andrew WONG be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposals of the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs and Mr Andrew WONG be debated together.

Mr Andrew WONG moved the addition of subclause 4 to clause 9 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to speak on Mr Andrew WONG's motion as well as his own proposal. She added, however, that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs might not move his proposed amendment unless Mr Andrew WONG's amendment was not agreed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the motion as well as his own proposed amendment.

Question on the addition of subclause 4 to clause 9 moved by Mr Andrew WONG put. As the Chairman could not judge from the voice votes whether the "ayes" had it or the "noes" had it, she ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 47(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 24 votes for the amendment, 17 votes against it and 11 abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix I.) She declared that the amendment was agreed.

Dr LEONG Che-hung rose to move the following motion without notice:

That in the event of further divisions being claimed in respect of the remaining motions to be moved at the Committee Stage of the Legislative Council Bill at this meeting, Rule 47(4) of the Rules of Procedure be suspended so that the Chairman may order that the Committee do proceed to each of such divisions immediately after the division bell has been rung for one minute.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to .

Question that clauses 4, 6 and 9, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs might not move the addition of subclause 7 to clause 4 as it was inconsistent with the decision already taken.

The President ordered the Council to resume and granted leave for the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to move a motion under Rule 89 of the Rules of Procedure that Rule 58(5) of the Rules of Procedure be suspended to enable the Committee of the whole Council to consider the proposed new clause 9A ahead of the other clauses of the Bill.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

New clause 9A read the first time.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the Second Reading of new clause 9A and addressed the Committee.

Question on the Second Reading of new clause 9A proposed, put and agreed to.

New clause 9A read the second time.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the addition of new clause 9A to the Bill.

Question on the addition proposed, put and agreed to.

The President ordered the Council to resume and granted leave for Mr Andrew WONG to move a motion under Rule 89 of the Rules of Procedure that Rule 58(5) of the Rules of Procedure be suspended to enable the Committee of the whole Council to consider the proposed new clause 9B ahead of the other clauses of the Bill.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

New clause 9B read the first time.

Mr Andrew WONG moved the Second Reading of new clause 9B and addressed the Committee.

Question on the Second Reading of new clause 9B proposed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the motion.

Mr Andrew WONG replied.

Question on the Second Reading put and agreed to.

New clause 9B read the second time.

Mr Andrew WONG moved the addition of new clause 9B to the Bill.

Question on the addition proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to clauses 10, 11 and 12 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 10, 11 and 12, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs had given notice to propose the addition of subclauses 1(ba) and 2 to clause 13 and Mr Bruce LIU had also given notice to move the addition of subclause (ba) to clause 13, which were related. She proposed that the proposals of the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs and Mr Bruce LIU be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposals of the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs and Mr Bruce LIU be debated together.

The Chairman invited the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to move his amendments first as he was the Public Officer in charge of the Bill.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the addition of subclause 1(ba) and 2 to clause 13 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited Mr Bruce LIU to speak on the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs's motion as well as his own proposal. She added, however, that Mr Bruce LIU might not move his proposed amendment unless the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs's amendments were not agreed.

Mr Bruce LIU spoke on the motion as well as his own proposed amendment.

Two Members spoke on the motion and the proposed amendment.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs replied.

Question on the addition of subclauses 1(ba) and 2 to clause 13 moved by the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs put. The Chairman said that she thought the amendments were agreed.

Mr Bruce LIU claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 48 votes for the amendments, five votes against them and one abstention. (Voting record in Appendix II.) She declared that the amendments were agreed.

The Chairman stated that Mr Bruce LIU might not move his amendment to clause 13 since it was inconsistent with the decision already taken.

The Chairman granted leave for Mr Ronald ARCULLI to revise the terms of his amendment to the effect that his proposed paragraph (bb) of clause 13 be re-numbered as subclause 1(bb) of clause 13.

Mr Ronald ARCULLI moved the addition of subclause 1(bb) to clause 13 and addressed the Committee.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs and a Member spoke on the amendment.

Mr Ronald ARCULLI replied.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the addition of subclause 3 to clause 13 and the amendment to subclause 1 of clause 38 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 13 and 38, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to clauses 16, 17, 18, 20 and 22.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 16, 17, 18, 20 and 22, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The President ordered the Council to resume and granted leave for Prof NG Ching-fai to move a motion under Rule 89 of the Rules of Procedure that Rules 58(5) and (7) of the Rules of Procedure be suspended to enable the Committee of the whole Council to consider schedules 1, 2 and 3 with the other clauses as they were inter-dependent.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

Prof NG Ching-fai moved amendments to subclauses 3, 4, 5 and 6 of clause 23, deletion of item 5 from part 2 of schedule 1, deletion of item 7(1) and (2) from part 3 of schedule 1 and the addition of items 7A and 23(4) to part 3 of schedule 1, amendments to section 1(5), items 4 and 5 of table 5 of part 1 of schedule 2, and amendments to section 8 of part 3 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

Eight Members and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the amendments.

Prof NG Ching-fai replied.

Question on the amendments put.

Prof NG Ching-fai claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 23 votes for the amendments, 26 against them and six abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix III.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to item 7(2), (4) and (6) in schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to items 4 and 5 of table 5 in part 1 of schedule 2, section 8(1), (2), (3), (6), (7) in part 3 of schedule 2, and the addition of section 1(3A) in schedule 3 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr CHAN Kam-lam moved an amendment to subclause 4 of clause 23 and the addition of item 15(3) and (4) in part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Three Members and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the amendments.

The Chairman suspended the Committee at 4:07 pm.

The Committee resumed at 4:15 pm.

Another 11 Members spoke and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke again on the amendments.

The Chairman suspended the Committee at 6:36 pm.

The Committee resumed at 7:35 pm.

Mr CHAN Kam-lam replied.

Question on the amendments put. As the Chairman could not judge from the voice vote whether the "ayes" had it or the "noes" had it, she ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 27 votes for the amendments, 23 votes against them and four abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix IV.) She declared that the amendments were agreed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclause 4 of clause 23, item 25(1), (2), (3), (4) and the addition of item 25(5) in part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Ms CHOY So-yuk moved amendments to subclause 4 of clause 23, item 26(2) and the addition of item 26(4) in part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

10 Members and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the amendments.

Ms CHOY So-yuk replied.

The Chairman announced that there were 30 votes for the amendments, 22 votes against them and three abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix V.) She declared that the amendments were agreed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclause 5 of clause 23, column 1 of item 26, item 26(1) and the addition of item 26(1A) and (2A) in part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclause 6 of clause 23, item 28(1), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7), (8), (10) and the addition of item 28(6A), (6B) and (6C) in part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr Ambrose LAU moved the addition of item 28(1A) part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Three Members spoke on the amendment.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Mr Ambrose LAU moved the addition of item 17(4) and (5) in part 3 of schedule 1, the amendment to section 1(5) and the addition of item 1A to table 5 in part 1 of schedule 2, the amendments to section 8(1) and (10) of part 3 of schedule 2 and the addition of section 8(3A), (3B), (8A), (8B) and (8C) to part 3 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

A Member spoke on the amendments.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to item 6 in schedule 1 and addition of item 17(3) to part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr MA Fung-kwok moved amendments to item 24 (8)(e) and the addition of item 24 (8)(f) in part 3 of schedule 1 and the deletion of item 27(50) from part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Three Members spoke on the amendments.

Mr MA Fung-kwok replied.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr MA Fung-kwok moved the addition of item 24 (8)(g) in part 3 of schedule 1 and the deletion of item 27(51) from part 3 of schedule 1 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put.

Mr MA Fung-kwok claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 10 votes for the amendments, 27 votes against them and eight abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix VI.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to item 24(1), (2), (3), (6), (7) and (8) and to item 27(41), (43), (60), (67) in part 3 of schedule 1.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to items 8 and 11 in part 3 of schedule 1.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clause 23 and schedule 1, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to clauses 26, 30 and 32.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 26, 30 and 32, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that Mr Andrew WONG had given notice to propose amendments to subclause 1(a), (b) and (c) of clause 29 and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs had given notice to propose amendments to subclause 1(a) and (c) of clause 29. She proposed that the proposals of Mr Andrew WONG and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposals of Mr Andrew WONG and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs be debated together.

Mr Andrew WONG moved amendments to subclause 1(a), (b) and (c) of clause 29 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to speak on Mr Andrew WONG's motion as well as his own proposed amendments. She added, however, that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs might not move his proposed amendments unless Mr Andrew WONG's amendments were not agreed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the motion as well as his own proposed amendments.

Mr Andrew WONG replied.

Question on the amendments to subclause 1(a), (b) and (c) of clause 29 moved by Mr Andrew WONG put. As the Chairman could not judge from the voice votes whether the "ayes" had it or the "noes" had it, she ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 14 votes for the amendments, 37 votes against them and no abstention. (Voting record in Appendix VII.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclause 1(a) and (c) of clause 29.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 1(e) of clause 29.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Question that clause 29, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 1 of clause 33 and the addition of subclause 2 to clause 33.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Question that clause 33, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The President ordered the Council to resume and granted leave for Mr Bruce LIU to move a motion under Rule 89 of the Rules of Procedure that Rule 58(5) of the Rules of Procedure be suspended to enable the Committee of the whole Council to consider the proposed new clause 35A ahead of the other clauses of the Bill.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

New clause 35A read the first time.

Mr Bruce LIU moved the Second Reading of new clause 35A and addressed the Committee.

Question on the Second Reading of new clause 35A proposed.

Four Members and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the motion.

Mr Bruce LIU replied.

Question on the Second Reading put.

Mr Bruce LIU claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were five votes for the motion, 40 votes against it and three abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix VIII.) She declared that the motion was negatived.

The Chairman stated that Mr Bruce LIU might not move his amendments to subclauses 1(e) and 2(f) of clause 35, the deletion of subclause 3 from clause 35, the addition of subclauses 3(ba) and 6A to clause 36 and the amendments to subclauses 5 and 13 of clause 47 as they were inconsistent with the decision already taken.

The Chairman stated that Mr CHAN Choi-hi had given notice to move amendments to subclauses 1(e) and 2(f) of clause 35 and the deletion of subclause 3 from clause 35, the addition of subclauses 12A and 12B to clause 47, an amendment to subclause 7 of clause 48, an amendment to subclause 7 of clause 49 and the addition of subclauses A and B to clause 49 and the addition of subclauses 1B and 1C to clause 50, and Dr C H LEONG had given notice to move amendments to subclauses 2(f) and 3 of clause 35. Prof NG Ching-fai had given notice to move amendments to subclauses 2(f) and 3 of clause 35 but had just withdrawn the notice. She proposed that the proposals of Mr CHAN Choi-hi and Dr C H LEONG be debated together in a joint debate as they were related. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposals of Mr CHAN Choi-hi and Dr C H LEONG be debated together.

The Chairman invited Mr CHAN Choi-hi to move his amendments first in accordance with Rule 34(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

Mr CHAN Choi-hi moved the above amendments and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited Dr C H LEONG to speak on Mr CHAN Choi-hi's motion as well as his own proposal. She added, however, that Dr C H LEONG might not move his proposed amendments unless Mr CHAN Choi-hi's amendments were not agreed.

Dr C H LEONG spoke on the motion as well as his own proposed amendments.

Three Members spoke on the motion and the proposed amendments.

The Chairman suspended the Committee at 11:29 pm.

The Committee resumed at 11:58 pm.

Mr CHAN Choi-hi replied.

Question on the amendments to subclauses 1(e) and 2(f) of clause 35 and the deletion of subclause 3 from clause 35, the addition of subclauses 12A and 12B to clause 47, the amendment to subclause 7 of clause 48, the amendment to subclause 7 of clause 49 and the addition of subclause A and B to clause 49 and the addition of subclauses 1B and 1C to clause 50 moved by Mr CHAN Choi-hi put and negatived.

Dr C H LEONG moved amendments to subclauses 2(f) and 3 of clause 35 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put.

Dr C H LEONG claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were four votes for the amendments, 41 votes against them and four abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix IX.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 3 of clause 35.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 6, 8, 9 and 10 of clause 36.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 11 and 12 of clause 47, subclause 5 of clause 48, and subclauses 2 and 5 of clause 49.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 35, 48 and 49, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 36 and 47, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed.

A Member spoke on the motion.

Question that clauses 36 and 47, as amended, stand part of the Bill put.

As the Chairman could not judge from the voice votes whether the "ayes" had it or the "noes" had it, she ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 43 votes for the motion, six votes against it and no abstention. (Voting record in Appendix X.) She declared that the motion was carried.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

New clause 23A read the first time.

Mr Andrew WONG moved the Second Reading of new clause 23A and addressed the Committee.

Question on the Second Reading of new clause 23A proposed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the motion.

Mr Andrew WONG replied.

Question on the Second Reading of new clause 23A put and negatived.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

New clause 36A read the first time.

Mr Andrew WONG moved the Second Reading of new clause 36A and addressed the Committee.

Question on the Second Reading of new clause 36A proposed, put and negatived.

The Chairman stated that Mr Andrew WONG had given notice to move amendments to clause 50, Mr CHAN Choi-hi had given notice to move amendments to subclause 1, the deletion of subclauses 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 from clause 50 and the addition of 1A to clause 50, Mrs Elsie TU and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs had also given respective notice to move amendments to subclause 2 of clause 50. She proposed that the proposals of Mr Andrew WONG, Mr CHAN Choi-hi, Mrs Elsie TU and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the above proposals be debated together.

Mr Andrew WONG moved amendments to clause 50 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited Mr CHAN Choi-hi, Mrs Elsie TU and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to speak on Mr Andrew WONG's motion as well as their own proposals. She added, however, that they might not move their proposed amendments at that stage.

Mr CHAN Choi-hi, Mrs Elsie TU and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on Mr Andrew WONG's motion as well as their own proposed amendments.

Six Members spoke on the motion and the proposed amendments.

Mr Andrew WONG replied.

In response to the remark "戇居" made by Mr Andrew WONG, the Chairman suspended the Committee at 1:05 am on 28 September 1997.

The Committee resumed at 1:26 am.

Following the Chairman's ruling that the above remark was offensive and that its use about Members of the Council was out of order, Mr Andrew WONG withdrew the remark.

One more Member spoke on the motion and the proposed amendments.

Question on the amendments to clause 50 moved by Mr Andrew WONG put and negatived.

Mr CHAN Choi-hi moved an amendment to subclause 1, the deletion of subclauses 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 from and the addition of subclause 1A to clause 50 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the above amendments moved by Mr CHAN Choi-hi put.

Mr CHAN Choi-hi claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 16 votes for the amendments, 34 votes against them and no abstention. (Voting record in Appendix XI.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

Mrs Elsie TU moved an amendment to subclause 2 of clause 50 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendment to subclause 2 of clause 50 moved by Mrs Elsie TU put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs might not move his amendment to subclause 2 of clause 50 as it was inconsistent with the decision already taken.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 1, 3 and 4 of clause 50.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clause 50, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that Mr Ronald ARCULLI and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs had separately given notice to propose amendments to subclause 1(a) of clause 37. She proposed that the proposed amendments be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposed amendments be debated together.

In accordance with Rule 34(4) of the Rules of Procedure, the Chairman first invited Mr Ronald ARCULLI to move his proposed amendment.

Mr Ronald ARCULLI moved an amendment to subclause 1(a) of clause 37 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to speak on Mr Ronald ARCULLI's motion as well as his own proposed amendment. She added, however, that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs might not move his proposed amendment unless Mr Ronald ARCULLI's amendment was not agreed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on Mr Ronald ARCULLI's motion as well as his own proposed amendment.

Four Members spoke on the motion and the proposed amendment.

Mr Ronald ARCULLI replied.

Question on the amendment to subclause 1(a) of clause 37 moved by Mr Ronald ARCULLI put.

Mr Ronald ARCULLI and Mrs Selina CHOW claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 19 votes for the amendment, 34 votes against it and one abstention. (Voting record in Appendix XII.) She declared that the amendment was negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 1(a) of clause 37.

Question on the amendment to subclause 1(a) of clause 37 moved by the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs put and agreed to.

Mr Andrew WONG moved amendments to subclause 1(b), (c) and (e)(i) of clause 37 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and negatived.

The Chairman stated that as Mr Andrew WONG's amendments to clause 37 were negatived, he might not move his proposed amendments to schedule 4.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclause 1(b), 1(e) and 1(g) of clause 37.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that Mr Andrew WONG and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs had separately given notice to propose amendments to subclause 1(i) of clause 37. She proposed that the proposed amendments be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposed amendments be debated together.

The Chairman invited Mr Andrew WONG to move his amendment first in accordance with Rule 34(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

Mr Andrew WONG moved an amendment to subclause 1(i) of clause 37 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to speak on Mr Andrew WONG's motion as well as his own proposed amendment. She added, however, that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs might not move his proposed amendment unless Mr Andrew WONG's amendment was not agreed.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the motion as well as his own proposed amendment.

A Member spoke on the motion and the proposed amendment.

Mr Andrew WONG replied.

Question on the amendment to subclause 1(i) of clause 37 moved by Mr Andrew WONG put and negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 1(i) of clause 37.

Question on the amendment to subclause 1(i) of clause 37 moved by the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs put and agreed to.

Question that clause 37, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to clauses 39, 40, 41, 42, 52, 57 and 58.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 39, 40, 41, 42, 52, 57 and 58, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

Mr K K FUNG moved an amendment to subclause 4 of clause 46 and the addition of subclause 1A to clause 51 and addressed the Committee.

Four Members and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the amendments.

Mr K K FUNG replied.

Question on the amendments put.

Mr K K FUNG claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were six votes for the amendments, 40 votes against them and two abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix XIII.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 1, 4 and 5 of clause 46 and subclauses 1 and 3 of clause 51 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr Andrew WONG withdrew his proposed amendments to subclause 5(a), (b) and (c) of clause 51.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 5 of clause 51.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 46 and 51, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 2 and 6 of clause 24.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clause 24, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Chairman stated that the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs and Mr Bruce LIU had separately given notice to propose amendments to subclause 3 of clause 59. She proposed that the proposed amendments be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposed amendments be debated together.

The Chairman invited the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to move his proposed amendment first as he was the Public Officer in charge of the Bill.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to subclause 3 of clause 59 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited Mr Bruce LIU to speak on the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs's motion as well as his own proposed amendment. She added, however, that Mr Bruce LIU might not move his proposed amendment unless the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs's amendment was not agreed.

Mr Bruce LIU spoke on the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs's motion as well as his own proposed amendment.

A Member spoke on the motion and the proposed amendment.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs replied.

Question on the amendment to subclause 3 of clause 59 moved by the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs put. The Chairman said that she thought the amendment was agreed.

Mr Bruce LIU claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 38 votes for the amendment, seven votes against it and no abstention. (Voting record in Appendix XIV.) She declared that the amendment was agreed.

The Chairman stated that Mr Bruce LIU might not move his proposed amendment to subclause 3 of clause 59 as it was inconsistent with the decision already taken.

Question that clause 59, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to clauses 62, 67, 70, 73, 80 and 81.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clauses 62, 67, 70, 73, 80 and 81, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to item 16 of table 1 of part 1 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Mr CHAN Kam-lam moved amendments to table 2 and table 3 in part 1 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

Ten Members and the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs spoke on the amendments.

Mr CHAN Kam-lam replied.

Question on the amendments put. As the Chairman could not judge from the voice votes whether the "ayes" had it or the "noes" had it, she ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 11 votes for the amendments, 36 votes against them and one abstention. (Voting record in Appendix XV.) She declared that the amendments were negatived.

The Chairman stated that Mr CHAN Kam-lam, Mr Bruce LIU and Mr Andrew WONG had separately given notice to move amendments to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2. She proposed that the proposed amendments be debated together in a joint debate. There being no dissenting voice, the Chairman ordered that the proposed amendments be debated together.

Mr CHAN Kam-lam moved an amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

The Chairman invited Mr Bruce LIU and Mr Andrew WONG to speak on Mr CHAN Kam-lam's motion as well as their own proposed amendments. She added, however, that Mr Bruce LIU and Mr Andrew WONG might not move their proposed amendments at that stage.

Mr Bruce LIU and Mr Andrew WONG spoke on Mr CHAN Kam-lam's motion as well as their own proposed amendments.

Question on the amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 moved by Mr CHAN Kam-lam put. As the Chairman could not judge from the voice vote whether the "ayes" had it or the "noes" had it, she ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 10 votes for the amendment, 34 votes against it and three abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix XVI.) She declared that the amendment was negatived.

The Chairman stated that as Mr CHAN Kam-lam's amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 had been negatived, he might not move amendments to section 1(6) and (7), the addition of section 1(8A) to part 1 of schedule 2 and amendments to section 8(4) and (9) of part 3 of schedule 2, as they were inconsistent with the decision already taken.

Mr Bruce LIU moved an amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 moved by Mr Bruce LIU put.

Mr Bruce LIU claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were eight votes for the amendment, 36 votes against it and three abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix XVII.) She declared that the amendment was negatived.

The Chairman stated that as Mr Bruce LIU's amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 had been negatived, he might not move his other related amendments to part 1 of schedule 2.

Mr Andrew WONG moved an amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

Question on the amendment to table 4 in part 1 of schedule 2 moved by Mr Andrew WONG put.

Mr Andrew WONG claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 11 votes for the amendment, 32 votes against it and four abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix XVIII.) She declared that the amendment was negatived.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to section 1(6) and (7) in, and the addition of section 1(8A) to, part 1 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the addition of section 1(7A) and 1(7B) in part 1 of schedule 2, an amendment to section 4(2) in part 2 of schedule 2, and an amendment to section 13(2) in part 3 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to sections 2(2), 3(7), 5 and 6 in part 2 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr Andrew WONG withdrew his proposed amendments to section 5(a) and (b) in part 2 of schedule 2.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to section 5(a), (b), (c) and (e) in part 2 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Mr Andrew WONG withdrew his proposed amendments to section 14(c) in part 3 of schedule 2.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to section 14(c) in part 3 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to item 16 of table 1, sections 7, 8(4), 8(9), 8(13), 9(2), 9(4), 9(5), 9(6), 15(1), 16, 18(1), 18(2), 18(4), 20(2), 20(3), 22(1), 22(2), 22(3), 24, 26, 29(1), 30(2), 30(3), the addition of section 30(4) to, the amendment to section 32(4) in part 3 of schedule 2 and the amendment to sections 1(2), 1(3) and 1(4) in and the addition of section 1(3A) to part 3 of schedule 3.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to section 14(e) in part 3 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Mr Andrew WONG withdrew his proposed amendments to section 23(1)(b), (c) and (d) in part 3 of schedule 2.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to section 23(1) in part 3 of schedule 2.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

Mr MA Fung-kwok moved an amendment to section 1(7)(b) in and the addition of section 1(10) to part 1 of schedule 2, an amendment to section 7(1) in, the addition of section 7(2) and 8(1A) to part 3 of schedule 2 and addressed the Committee.

Four Members spoke on the amendments.

Mr MA Fung-kwok replied.

Question on the amendments put.

Mr MA Fung-kwok claimed a division. The Chairman then ordered the Committee to divide under Rule 49(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

The Chairman announced that there were 25 votes for the amendments, 15 votes against them and five abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix XIX.) She declared that the amendments were agreed.

Question that schedules 2 and 3, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to subclauses 1 and 2 of clause 3.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that clause 3, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

Question on clause 82 standing part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The President ordered the Council to resume and granted leave for the Secretary for Constitutional Affairs to move a motion under Rule 89 of the Rules of Procedure that Rules 58(5) and (7) of the Rules of Procedure be suspended to enable the Committee of the whole Council to consider schedule 4 ahead of the other clauses of the Bill.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council went into Committee.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to item 1 of part 1 of schedule 4.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved an amendment to item 12 of part 2 of schedule 4.

Question on the amendment put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the addition of new part 1A in part 1 of schedule 4.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved amendments to section 1(5) and 1(6) and items 8 and 9 in, the addition of items 12A, 12B, 12C and 14 to part 2, and the addition of part 3 to schedule 4.

Question on the amendments put and agreed to.

Question that schedule 4, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs moved the addition of subclauses 1A and 3 to clause 83.

Question on the addition put and agreed to.

Question that clause 83, as amended, stand part of the Bill proposed, put and agreed to.

The Council then resumed.

Third Reading

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs reported that

the Legislative Council Bill

had passed through Committee with amendments. He moved that the Bill be read the third time and do pass.

Question on the Third Reading of the Bill proposed.

Eight Members spoke on the motion.

The Secretary for Constitutional Affairs replied.

Question on the Third Reading of the Bill put.

Mr K K FUNG claimed a division. The President then ordered the Council to divide under Rule 47(4) of the Rules of Procedure.

Before the President announced the result of the division, Mrs Sophie LEUNG declared that she had cast her vote incorrectly. She had intended to abstain but had incorrectly pressed the 'No' button. The President ordered that Mrs LEUNG's vote be altered to 'Abstain'.

The President announced that there were 29 votes for the motion, nine votes against it and 11 abstentions. (Voting record in Appendix XX.) She declared that the motion was carried.

Bill read the third time and passed.

Motions

Births and Deaths Registration Ordinance

The Secretary for Security moved the following motion and addressed the Council:

That with effect from 31 October 1997 the Births and Deaths Registration Ordinance be amended -

(a)	in section 9(2), by repealing "$120" and substituting "$140";
(b)	in section 9(3), by repealing "$590" and substituting "$680";
(c)	in section 13(2A), by repealing "$120" and substituting "$140";
(d)	in section 13(3), by repealing "$370" and substituting "$425";
(e)	in section 22(1), by repealing "$120" and "$590" and substituting "$140" and "$680" respectively;
(f)	in section 22(2), by repealing "$120" and "$240" and substituting "$140" and "$275" respectively;
(g)	in section 23, by repealing "$60" and substituting "$70";
(h)	in section 27(1)(c), by repealing "$370" and substituting "$425".

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

Legitimacy Ordinance

The Secretary for Security moved the following motion and addressed the Council:

That with effect from 31 October 1997 the Schedule to the Legitimacy Ordinance be amended -

(a)	in paragraph 5, by repealing "$295" and substituting "$340";
(b)	in paragraph 6(1), by repealing "$120" and substituting "$140".

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

Buildings Ordinance

The Secretary for Planning, Environment and Lands moved the following motion and addressed the Council:

That the Technical Memorandum for Supervision Plans, published in Special Supplement No.5 to the Gazette on 29 August 1997 and laid on the table of the Provisional Legislative Council on 3 September 1997, be amended in Part III, in Table 1 -

(a)	by renumbering Note 2 as Note 3; and
(b)	by adding -
	"2.	For frequency levels 1 to 4, more frequent site inspection up to full time may be required at critical stages; refer to the Code of Practice for guidance.".

Question on the motion proposed.

Two Members spoke on the motion.

Question on the motion put and agreed to.

Members' Motions

Interpretation and General Clauses Ordinance

Dr C H LEONG moved the following motion and addressed the Council:

That in relation to the -

(a)	Securities and Futures Commission (Fees) (Amendment) Rules 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 430 of 1997;
(b)	Immigration (Amendment) Regulation 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 432 of 1997;
(c)	Registration of Persons (Amendment) Regulation 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 433 of 1997;
(d)	Marriage Reform (Fees) (Amendment) Regulation 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 434 of 1997;
(e)	Births Registration (Special Registers) Ordinance (Amendment of Fifth Schedule) Order 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 435 of 1997;
(f)	Deaths Registration (Special Registers) Ordinance (Amendment of Fourth Schedule) Order 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 436 of 1997;
(g)	Marriage Ordinance (Amendment of Second Schedule) Order 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 437 of 1997; and
(h)	Trade Marks (Amendment) Rules 1997, published as Legal Notice No. 438 of 1997,

which were laid on the table of the Provisional Legislative Council on 10 September 1997, the period referred to in section 34(2) of the Interpretation and General Clauses Ordinance (Cap. 1) for amending subsidiary legislation be extended under section 34(4) of that Ordinance to the meeting of 15 October 1997.

Question on the motion proposed, put and agreed to.

The President announced that Prof NG Ching-fai and Ms CHOY So-yuk had given notice to withdraw their motions on "Developing Hong Kong's high value-added industries" and "Formulating comprehensive policies on information technology" respectively.

Next meeting

The President declared that the next meeting of the Council would be held on 8 October 1997 at 2:30 pm.

The Council was adjourned at 6:02 am on 28 September 1997.

(Mrs Rita FAN)
President

Council Chamber
Hong Kong